MICK KEARNEY LAUGHS when asked how he felt in the minutes leading up to Ireland’s November Test against Samoa six years ago now. As team manager, he had been there and seen it all before on matchday. But this was different.
Not only was it the eagerly-anticipated first game of Joe Schmidt’s tenure in charge of the national team, but a new boss meant a new role for Kearney, who was now wired up to the coach’s box and tasked with managing Ireland’s bench.
The job description suggests it’s a relatively straightforward responsibility. You’re the link between the box upstairs and the touchline, essentially overseeing the substitutions the coach wants to make at various points throughout the 80 minutes.
But knowing Schmidt as he did from his dealings with him from his Leinster years, Kearney knew he had to get every detail of his job absolutely spot on, from communication with the head coach, players and officials, to the exact timing of the substitutions.
“I hadn’t had any experience of it until Joe’s first game,” Kearney explains to The42.
“It sounds like a small thing but it was quite a stressful part of the job. It certainly was a challenge because Joe was so focused in the coaching box that if he gives an instruction down to the sideline, it’s very difficult to go back to him and ask him to repeat it. You’ve got to be very, very clued in.
“I was pretty nervous, yeah. Because when Joe wants to make a change, he wants to make a change and you don’t want to miss that break in play when it’s happening. The night before the match I’d be studying who would come off and who would come on in that particular position so you’re really prepared as soon as Joe says go.
Kearney survived his first afternoon on the touchline and would go on to fulfil the same role for next 38 Test matches under Schmidt until he stepped down from the position of Ireland team manager after the 2016 November series.
In his three seasons on Schmidt’s backroom team, Kearney built a remarkably strong relationship with the Kiwi, and was an invaluable member of the set-up during those early days and then the good days, of which there were many.
Often operating in the background — except, he jokes, on matchday — Kearney became one of Schmidt’s most trusted lieutenants, and one of his abiding memories from a career in rugby was the moment shared with Schmidt in the middle of Soldier Field, Chicago, on the afternoon of 5 November 2016.
A matter of weeks before he passed on the baton to current team manager Paul Dean, Kearney was on hand to witness arguably one of the greatest days of Schmidt’s reign, and it was a fitting send-off for a man who had been an integral part of the winning environment the coach had cultivated.
Schmidt and Kearney at Soldier Field. Source: Dan Sheridan/INPHO
Commenting on Kearney’s retirement, Schmidt praised the Meath native’s ‘experience, reasoning and people skills’ and it was perhaps those attributes and strengths that helped the pair’s working relationship blossom and become so much more.
They weren’t always operating off the same page, however. As team manager under Declan Kidney, Kearney met with Schmidt — the then Leinster head coach — regularly throughout the season to discuss a wide range of issues, but mainly when the national team required one of Schmidt’s players as a late injury call-up.
“I was with Declan from the beginning of 2012 to the end of the Six Nations in 2013,” Kearney recalls. “I had two Six Nations with him and during that time, I had quite a bit of interaction with Joe.
“Obviously, Leinster were going very well and Joe had his own, I suppose, strong opinions on how things were done. He was incredibly focused on his own job and didn’t make it easy in terms of calling up players and there was some disagreement.
“He was very focused on his job with Leinster and would have made my job, not difficult, but challenging.
“While we had some extremely robust exchanges while he was with Leinster, there was always a very high degree of respect there as well. In fairness to Joe, I could understand a lot of where he was coming from in terms of player call-ups and the reasons behind calling player A ahead of player B.
From those first dealings with Schmidt, and the back-and-forth conversations over player call-ups and other national team issues, Kearney’s relationship with 53-year-old changed irrevocably when he succeeded Kidney in 2013.
It helped that the pair — two strong personalities and both excellent operators in their own right — had built a level of respect and trust on either side, even if they had their disagreements in Schmidt’s former life with Leinster.
Having battled out of each other’s corners initially, now Kearney and Schmidt were working in unison for the same cause and from the off, they clicked.
“While we had some strong, robust conversations during Joe’s time at Leinster, we never had any sort of situation where we were falling out,” Kearney continues. “He knew me reasonably well and I knew him reasonably well.”
A word Kearney uses regularly to describe Schmidt is challenging, and not in a bad way.
His demands, his attention to detail, his expectations. The former school teacher, as has been well-documented at this stage, radically overhauled, and challenged, everything that happened inside the four walls of Carton House, even if it had been successful under the previous regime.
“He certainly created an environment whereby people had to get comfortable being uncomfortable. It was part of the success, to be honest. It needed it at that particular time. The detail he brought into the role and environment was extraordinary. It wasn’t just the detail he brought in, but the detail he demanded that others brought in as well.
Kearney served as Ireland team manager for five years. Source: Donall Farmer/INPHO
“What he changed, in particular, was how people went about their business on a day-to-day basis and what he demanded of them. He was, and is, very demanding but in a good way. It was hugely important and relevant to the success that came along in the subsequent years.”
While other members of Schmidt’s coaching staff came and went, Kearney remained his right-hand man. Through work, and the endless hours spent in each other’s company, they formed a good friendship. It was one of the reasons why it worked.
Having been heavily involved in Lansdowne FC and then held the role of Ireland U20s team manager, Kearney not only brought administration and organisation experience to the table but a sharp business acumen.
It was these qualities and more — his capacity to act as peace-keeper and become a voice of reason has been cited more than once — that meant Kearney was the perfect foil to Schmidt’s personality and coaching style within the team environment.
“I always found that if I was going to have a discussion with Joe or disagree with something, I’d want to have my argument and my points very well thought out in advance or else you’d be fairly quick to lose the argument,” he smiles.
“That was challenging as well, but it was challenging in a good way because it made you think very deeply about why you were thinking the way you’re thinking. It was a very positive environment as well.
“If you think of the coaches Joe has brought in and worked with, I think he generally would like people working with him that he could direct and they would actually take direction, but at the same time not be afraid to give their opinion on certain things.
“The type of person who Joe would work best with would be people who not be overly confrontational but work very well within the system Joe designed.”
In camp, Kearney and Schmidt would spend endless hours in the meeting rooms of Carton House planning and mapping out the week ahead, often weeks and months in advance. He had a checklist of over 100 items at the start of every Test week to get through, ensuring that every last detail — however small — was taken care of. That all came from Schmidt.